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Xenophobia11 o'clock, August 25, 2004Andrew O’Hehir noted that “the Dogme movement is best described as a system for making imitation Ingmar Bergman films.” The authors of the Mundane Manifesto cite Neuromancer and 1984 as influences; but what they’ve got reads, to me, like a system for writing imitation Kim Stanley Robinson novels. Not that there’s anything wrong with that — even if I’m not a Robinson fan myself. Still . . . I can’t help but hear in the Manifesto a distorted echo of SF’s chronic mainstream envy. What makes this list of SF’s chronic “Stupidities” the right one — why twelve Stupidities, and not eleven or thirteen? The Mundanes recognize this much themselves; the last entry in the list is “Continue at will.” But why not take it farther? Why not eliminate some of the other SF motifs that they explicitly embrace, like nano and VR — surely no less abused than parallel worlds or English-speaking aliens? Why not take it as far as mainstream’s New Puritans did, and shed “all improbable or unknowable speculation about the past or the future”? Maybe it’s a matter of timing — maybe it’s that it comes at a point when I’ve just decided that, in my own writing, it’s time to try, for a while, SF without constraints. But in the end what the Mundane Manifesto mostly comes across as, to me, is a little amusing, and a little sad. Still, some of them, undoubtedly, will eventually realize that writing the kind of honest, thoughtful, thought-provoking SF they want to write has much less to do with what they write about than they think it does. In the mean time, I wish them luck. (Via Notes from Coode Street.) |
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Yeah, I agree. Their tone is at least a little tongue in cheek, but the semi-serious side is really pretty silly. They cite Neuromancer as an influence? While you're talking about nano and VR, strong AI seems much more debatable and far-fetched. Personally, I happen to be a strong-AI advocate, but it's not hard to find bright people who believe that contact with aliens is a greater likelihood than contact with home-grown human+ intelligence. |
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They object to "devices that can translate any language"? OK, babelfish sucks. But if we're there now, it's not unreasonable to think that with sufficient processing power, we'll have that magic device in a hundred years. (Of course, it's existence will be classified, so the militaries of the world will have it, and it will be available on the black market for weapons, but you won't be able to buy it at the neighborhood electronics store - but it will still exist). |
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If you shorten it to any known language, I think we’ll have something that sort-of passes for it within our lifetimes, maybe within ten years, as an optional add-on to our phone service. (For an amusing take on this, see Bruce Sterling’s story “In Paradise” in the September ’02 F&SF.) Any language — particularly alien ones — then we’re talking magic. |
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First of all, hi, David. My first time at this blog -- wandered over from Jay Lakes livejournal. I'm also one of the thousands that look forward to The Zeppelin antho. Second, I feel that the authors of this manifesto fall into the very trap they are trying to avoid -- they invite us to write about the future of this planet, and about human technology. IMO, it does not matter where these things take place -- the problem they complain about is the overly optimistic view of technology, earthly or otherwise. All this nanomachinery, cyberstuff etc is just another example of current attitude of technology as cure-it-all. FTL drives are unlikely, I agree. But so are the technological solutions to issues such as pollution, overpopulation etc. on this planet. It seems to me that they blame space opera fantasies for lack of respect for Earth, but fantasies of 'one day we will cure all diseases' fall into the same category. Moreover, fiction did not create these beliefs; it's a very common attitude in a modern humanistic society. Fiction is at its best and most effective when it explores human condition, no matter what the settings are (if I may misquote John Barth on that.) So yes, I'll write about magic and anthropomorphic aliens on far off planets, if it suits the story. But I don't think tropes should be confused with what the story is about, and I don't think manifestoes make for very good literature. |
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Well, they do leave themselves an out with the last line: To burn this manifesto as soon as it gets boring. Planning ahead, that's what that is. |
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If you shorten it to any known language, I think we’ll have something that sort-of passes for it within our lifetimes, maybe within ten years, as an optional add-on to our phone service. Depends on what you mean by "sort-of passes." Fully translating from one language into another is sometimes considered an "AI-complete" problem, meaning that it's as difficult as any problem in AI. Software that could do a really good job of translation could probably pass the Turing test. What we'll be getting on our phones in the near term will probably be BabelFish-on-steroids, which is still reasonably useful. |
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Yep, that’s pretty much what I meant by “sort-of”. I had Heptapod B in mind when I made the comment about really “any language” requiring magic. :) I’d like to see Star Trek’s universal translator have a go at something like that! |
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I have this feeling that the real solution to universal translation is finding a way to make actual human translators scale. |
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Well, if you just upload the human translators and copy them.... (Joking! No hit I!) Funny—right about the time you were posting this, I was composing a rant about how tired I am of the standard cliches of VR in sf. I ended up not posting it, though I may finish and polish it someday. But maybe it means there's zeitgeist in the air. Or something. Me, I kinda like this manifesto, in that it doesn't take itself too seriously, and acknowledges the value of work that uses unrealistic genre conventions (though I agree that they're undervaluing such work), and reserves the right to write like ER Burroughs if they want to. But I am amused that they include nanotech and VR as allowable technologies, given how near-universally unrealistically those technologies are portrayed in sf. |
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That’s what I thought. It’s presented as though they’re trying to raise the level of the discourse, but really they’re just not writing about some stuff they don’t want to write about. (Side note: Jed, did you get the email I sent you a couple of hours ago from my discontent.com account?) |
"maybe it’s that it comes at a point when I’ve just decided that, in my own writing, it’s time to try, for a while, SF without constraints"
Well said. I don't think the tropes they list--FTL, aliens--are always done well, but they're still things I like to toy around with, myself. Laziness is the enemy, in my opinion, not an unrestrained imagination.